That's what you want. You want mexico reverse phone lookup those people in your organization, and then you don't have to worry about sending somebody to a trade show and them not having the right light to hang on that and just going, ugh, and throwing up their hands and walking away. I never have to worry about that. It's fantastic. So if you have that instilled from the ground up, and that's what I recommend, and that really starts with the founder. If that's the attitude of the founder, it permeates through the entire

organization. If it's not, if it's like I hire people, and I delegate down, and that's not my job, maybe there's a way to do that, but I don't see it. And I think that you see failure a lot with that. If my team members see me busting my ass day in and day out every single day, staying up late, they're much more likely to do the exact same.
CAROLINE: Yeah, yeah, exactly. All right, well, Ryan, this was a fantastic interview. Thank you so much for spending time and sharing your experience with us.